So, let's kick off this thread with a controversial opinion that I can't objectively prove but I'll act like I can anyway, generating more in-fighting and hatred. Because that's what Daddy Lago likes.
Ever since the 40s, I think that there was only one bad decade of animation and that would be the 70s. The 40s-60s had kick-awesome Disney, Tom and Jerry, and of course Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes cartoons. The 80s gave us a lot of imported Japanimation (not anime, Japanimation) and had a ton of iconic stuff like TMNT and Transformers. The 90s is when cartoons started getting really good like Doug and Batman: TAS but the 2000s is when the cartoons started getting ridiculously good with JLU and A:TLB. And of course this was when cartoons started getting more proletariat with stuff like Homestar Runner.
But what did the 70s give us, exactly? You know, other than some crappy Hanna Barbara crap what with Disney gave up on the decade (Rescuers and Winnie the Pooh being the only redeemable works) and Warner Bros. being completely shut down and giving us only a handful of Looney Toons stuff, some Peanuts shorts, and Charlotte's Web?
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Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
I'm not going to stroke your creepy hateboner because I see no reason to disagree with you.
Deal with it, nerd.
Deal with it, nerd.
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Ralph Bakshi. Fritz the Cat, Wizards, The Lord of the Rings, and production started on American Pop and Fire and Ice. You're leaving out animated films, because without them the 70s was just the death of the Flintstones and the rise of stoner Hanna-Barbera toons.
Now, I'll more than agree that the 70s and 80s were the Animation Age Ghetto, but there's a lot of stuff that happened in the 70s that was important for what happened later.
Now, I'll more than agree that the 70s and 80s were the Animation Age Ghetto, but there's a lot of stuff that happened in the 70s that was important for what happened later.
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Well, for starters, there was Star Trek - The animated Series . .
Hong Kong Phooey wasn't that good, but is from the 70's as well
Valley of the Dinosaurs is a Series i somehow still remember fondly.
I think one of the Gilligan Series was from the 70's as well.
Tom and Jerry originated in the 70's as well. Say what you want about Hanna-Barbera, but this one is still a classic.
Scooby Doo started in the 70's too. For all it's worth.
I think Popeye and some of the earlier Marvel Animated Series started in the 70's as well?
Those are the ones i can remember from the top of my head at least . .
And i was born in germany in 1984, so i think i had reason to look this up before somehow?
But yes, the "bigger/better" series came in the 80's.
Hong Kong Phooey wasn't that good, but is from the 70's as well
Valley of the Dinosaurs is a Series i somehow still remember fondly.
I think one of the Gilligan Series was from the 70's as well.
Tom and Jerry originated in the 70's as well. Say what you want about Hanna-Barbera, but this one is still a classic.
Scooby Doo started in the 70's too. For all it's worth.
I think Popeye and some of the earlier Marvel Animated Series started in the 70's as well?
Those are the ones i can remember from the top of my head at least . .
And i was born in germany in 1984, so i think i had reason to look this up before somehow?
But yes, the "bigger/better" series came in the 80's.
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Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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By typing that, it was already too late.Mask_De_H wrote:I'm not going to stroke your creepy hateboner
All of those were varying degrees of terrible, though. Fritz the Cat is unusual for the era, like Father Knows Best, and of course both are obvious precursors to edgier cartoons we'll see with the Simpsons and the 90s. That still doesn't mean that they were good.Ancient History wrote:Ralph Bakshi. Fritz the Cat, Wizards, The Lord of the Rings, and production started on American Pop and Fire and Ice. You're leaving out animated films, because without them the 70s was just the death of the Flintstones and the rise of stoner Hanna-Barbera toons.
And the whole 'it was an experimental era, people were getting the tropes right' isn't a very compelling excuse. Sure, the 20s-30s were bad, too, but by the 40s they had their shit together. And the 60s had some really fuck-awesome cartoons. The 70s just sucked for animation.
Stahsteele wrote:Tom and Jerry originated in the 70's as well. Say what you want about Hanna-Barbera, but this one is still a classic.
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Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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If that's a serious inquiry, you should watch this. It is by Hanna-Barbarra, and I can't attest to the quality (nor lack thereof), but it's primetime slot makes it culturally noteworthy.Lago PARANOIA wrote:But what did the 70s give us, exactly?
Edit: Father Knows Best is an entirely different, earlier, non-animated series.
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i remember watching some of these still . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7cGy4hCat0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elxjowj_bQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TxDbp06WA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7cGy4hCat0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elxjowj_bQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TxDbp06WA
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Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Yes. I much preferred Smaug's voice-acting in the Rankin-Bass Hobbit.
Come to that, I much preferred how they handled Bilbo for that scene; he bantered and talked without stuttering in pants-wetting fear.
Come to that, I much preferred how they handled Bilbo for that scene; he bantered and talked without stuttering in pants-wetting fear.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
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Throwing shade on the '70s while giving the '80s a pass in large part due to imported anime comes across as way soft-headed. Most of it didn't make it to the US intact, but franchises like Gatchaman, Getter Robo, Mazinger, Gundam, Devilman, Lupin III, and the works of Leiji Matsumoto were all released in the '70s, and that's just shit I can name off the top of my head. Also, it may not be animated, but Himitsu Sentai Gorenger came out in the '70s too, and if you don't think that and Gatchaman were a wee bit influential then you might as well just derp all the way off. Oh, and stateside, you had Ralph Bakshi doing his Crumb inspired shtick, love it or hate it. Basically, it was a decade short on production values but rather high in terms of experimentation since a lot of shit from the '60s was still coming home to roost.
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I was trying to make a distinction (as seen in the thread title) between imported and adapted Japanese animation and Western animation that farmed concepts and scripts out to Japanese and Korean studios. Like with Galaxy Rangers and Tokyo Shinsha.Whipstitch wrote:Throwing shade on the '70s while giving the '80s a pass in large part due to imported anime comes across as way soft-headed.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Also, the transitional period between the late 90s and early '00s was full of shit, at least if you looked at national rather than cable. I'm specifically thinking of shit like the Ripping Friends, Flint the Time Detective, The New Woody Woodpecker Show, Sonic X, Mucha Lucha, as well as some later aught stuff, like Chaotica or whatever the fuck it was that was mostly a commercial for a shitty card game.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
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FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
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Well, the late 90s had Futurama, Dexter's Lab, Powerpuff Girls, South Park, Superman: TAS, the Busy World of Richard Scarry, Hey! Arnold...
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Yeah, if you look at prime time and cable, western animation was, on the whole, pretty good in that period. I get that a lot of people did have cable, but my parents didn't go beyond broadcast tv until about 2006/7, so I'm looking at the death bed of Saturday Morning Cartoons (because there weren't as many prime time cartoons on broadcast).
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
Animaniacs is all 90s. It was inspired by the success of Tiny Toon Adventures which was conceived in the 80s, but first ran in 1990.
I don't think I have seen my son like a show faster than he liked Animaniacs, and I love the fact that he loves it because I don't mind watching the reruns.
I don't think I have seen my son like a show faster than he liked Animaniacs, and I love the fact that he loves it because I don't mind watching the reruns.
My son makes me laugh. Maybe he'll make you laugh, too.
I think the best part of Animaniacs was the jokes meant for adults.
Yakko: Dot, check for prints.
Dot: *produces the artist Prince* Found him!"
Y: No, finger prints!
D: *exchanges a glance with Prince* euhh... I don't think so.
Of course there's also the fact that it was the introduction to furries for a generation, what with Minerva Mink and her were-fabio beau.
Yakko: Dot, check for prints.
Dot: *produces the artist Prince* Found him!"
Y: No, finger prints!
D: *exchanges a glance with Prince* euhh... I don't think so.
Of course there's also the fact that it was the introduction to furries for a generation, what with Minerva Mink and her were-fabio beau.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
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On the subject of 90's cartoons that may have influenced furries, it seems like not mentioning SWAT Kats would be a travesty and, well, it's an excuse to link the intro.
The rules are the game, without them you're just playing cowboys and indians with a side of craps.
Oh, true. SWAT Kats, Biker Mice from Mars, Ninja Turtles, etc.
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Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.
FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
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i actually have many, if not most, of these older cartoon series on my HDDs somewhere.
and i still do watch them from time to time too.
M.A.S.K was and still is pretty boss.
Galaxy Rangers is beautiful.
Ulysses 31 was a nice take on the old Story of Ulysses, but set iin spaacee!
Silverhawks was more or less Thundercats iin spaacee but still good.
Spiral Zone has one of the best Intros i remember.
Jayce and the wheeled Warriors, i actually had several of the toys. They were fun.
Just now started up Starcom.
The good thing about using an old timey CRT TV is that even horrible video quality looks kind of OK, because it's technically what it was made for . .
and i still do watch them from time to time too.
M.A.S.K was and still is pretty boss.
Galaxy Rangers is beautiful.
Ulysses 31 was a nice take on the old Story of Ulysses, but set iin spaacee!
Silverhawks was more or less Thundercats iin spaacee but still good.
Spiral Zone has one of the best Intros i remember.
Jayce and the wheeled Warriors, i actually had several of the toys. They were fun.
Just now started up Starcom.
The good thing about using an old timey CRT TV is that even horrible video quality looks kind of OK, because it's technically what it was made for . .
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Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
I really don't want to upgrade to HD. I mean, yeah... It's pretty. But file sizes of programs go up when you start streaming/downloading HD. That affects both monthly bandwidth limits and storage capacity on my computer. And if I continue watching standard resolution on an HD TV, it's kinda shitty (and mostly pointless).Stahlseele wrote:The good thing about using an old timey CRT TV is that even horrible video quality looks kind of OK, because it's technically what it was made for . .
I just can't really imagine She-Ra in HD. Fuck. I sound like I'm old.
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You are old. Deal with it.
Also, HD is nice if you have the capacity and the material, otherwise?
Fuck HD. Fuck it in the eye! For all the reasons you just mentioned.
File-Size is starting to become a Problem for me with HD Anime, where Episodes regularly crack 500MB per file and somtimes they go up to 1 or2.x GB each . .
With the older Series, it's not so much the File-Size but the sheer number.
My Transformers Folder alone is 97,2GB big.
Imagining older series in HD ain't that bad, if it's not just upscaled but actually scanned in from the original material at higher resolution.
Have you seen the original TRON Movie for example in full HD? That's some glorious shit right there!
Dr.Strangelove - Or how i learned to stop worrying and to love the Bomb.
It's a 1950's Black and White Movie. And not upscaled but actually scanned in Full HD from the source material it looks perfectly sharp and everything!
Also: untill i just checked wikipedia, i did NOT know, that there was a season 2 of Biker Mice From Mars in 2006 O.o
Also, HD is nice if you have the capacity and the material, otherwise?
Fuck HD. Fuck it in the eye! For all the reasons you just mentioned.
File-Size is starting to become a Problem for me with HD Anime, where Episodes regularly crack 500MB per file and somtimes they go up to 1 or2.x GB each . .
With the older Series, it's not so much the File-Size but the sheer number.
My Transformers Folder alone is 97,2GB big.
Imagining older series in HD ain't that bad, if it's not just upscaled but actually scanned in from the original material at higher resolution.
Have you seen the original TRON Movie for example in full HD? That's some glorious shit right there!
Dr.Strangelove - Or how i learned to stop worrying and to love the Bomb.
It's a 1950's Black and White Movie. And not upscaled but actually scanned in Full HD from the source material it looks perfectly sharp and everything!
Also: untill i just checked wikipedia, i did NOT know, that there was a season 2 of Biker Mice From Mars in 2006 O.o
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Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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Shit, that reminds me that I need to look into the 1080p version of Getter Robo: Armageddon. Man, I hope it's scanned from the original material.Stahlseele wrote: Imagining older series in HD ain't that bad, if it's not just upscaled but actually scanned in from the original material at higher resolution.
The rules are the game, without them you're just playing cowboys and indians with a side of craps.
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Good luck with that.
Also, i just about finished aquiring Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego and i have to say that even edutainment was better back then than it is today <.<
Also, i just about finished aquiring Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego and i have to say that even edutainment was better back then than it is today <.<
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Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.