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[hogarth]

[virgil]

Let me try to understand the implications being made here. Saying that Flurry works exactly like TWF, and thus your off-hand weapon must be a different weapon, does that mean purely unarmed monks cannot use Flurry? It still says in the PF rules that an unarmed strike is any body part (fist, knee, foot, etc), so punching twice with your left fist is the exact same rules-wise as punching once with each hand.
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[sake]

I think the implications being made here is... if you want to be an effective Monk in 3e/3.5/PF your best option is *still* to just play a cleric with Imp Unarmed Strike and rebrand all your class features and shit with words like "ki Powers" "Meditation" and "Unlocking Chakra Gates"

[Krusk]

There is stupid idea floating around the WoTC boards recently that you have 2 "hand slots". Meaning, your left and right hand count as different weapons. Kicks and headbutts are illegal or must be assigned to a "hand slot" depending on who you ask.

Came about as a result of suggesting someone use claws and unarmed strikes (kicks are just insanity and not allowed).

Possible he read that and thought there was some logic to it? This allows unarmed monks to flurry, because they assign a fist to each "hand slot". You could also assign a headbutt and a fist if you want. Using a fist/headbut/kick is not allowed, because you don't have that many "hand slots".

[sigma999]

Perhaps they are equating "hand slot" with "natural attack" such as a Slam, which is usually tied to a limb slap.

I'd rather go with the Tome solution of simply giving Monks a Slam or two, define which body parts are attached to a Slam, and be done with it.

IUS and vanilla 3e Monk attacks are so varied that I might as well say "I use my pelvis thrust and glute crush to deliver a fatal blow to his head" and it's a valid statement.

[ishy]

Just ask if you can take a monk as an animal companion, is probably a downgrade anyway.
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[sake]

[Seerow]

[ishy]

Didn't they already release a 'spellcaster' monk or smt?
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[OgreBattle]

Sohei monk (he can use martial weapons)+ Empyreal sorcerer (use WIS instead of CHA)-> Eldritch Knight is one way to do a magic using monk without changing the rules.

Instead of a Chi pool, you have Arcane Magic. You also shoot rays of heavenly fire that heal the good and harm evil for teeny single digits.

I'm not intimately familiar with pathfinder though, do you know if there's feats that let me use WIS for melee attacks too? I think WIS for ranged attacks is only by archetype now and not a feat.
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[sake]

There is also a 3rd party PF conversion of the Psychic Warrior which made it *even more* monk like then it already was, and not surprisingly does indeed make the core monk feel small in the pants. But I know to some people, "Third Party" and "Psionics" are practically dirty words.

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[Juton]

I was looking at the rules of piecemeal armour, boy do they need some editing. For instance, the example isn't even right, they use the wrong values for plate arm armour. It will let the intrepid minmaxer put together a suit of armour about as good as mithral plate (9 AC, 3 max dex, 4 armour check) for under 500 gold though. Maybe its supposed to be a stealth buff for classes who need armour?

You can read more here, but you don't want to.
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[hogarth]

Yes, there are some oddities in the armor rules from Ultimate Combat. For instance, kikko armor provides the same protection as scale mail, but it's cheaper, lighter, has a better max Dex mod, a lower armor check penalty and a lower arcane spell failure chance.

I've also read complaints about the piecemeal system along the lines of what you're suggesting (i.e. you can make armor that's better than existing armor for cheaper).

[FrankTrollman]

Ow. The Piecemeal Armor section is clearly someone writing Hamlet Monkey Style to fill up wordcount and pagespace. It's way too long and fairly incoherent. And even a cursory reading of it makes it obvious that it doesn't do anything that any sane person would want it to do.

-Frank

[sigma999]

I saw (and saved) a better piecemeal armor setup back in the WOTC boards half a decade ago.

I almost wish Paizo had ripped that off rather than the abomination I've just read.

[hogarth]

[name_here]

The thing that most immediately jumps out at me is that you can't have enchanted gauntlets on an otherwise mundane suit but get to have a magic chestpiece in an otherwise mundane suit. That is just dumb; if anything the other way around has more genre support and it would make the most sense to have a system that permits either, like letting you use the enchantments on the item with the highest bonus.
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[sigma999]

[hogarth]

[sigma999]

After reading Advanced Races Guide I am happy to find that Paizo at least got something right.

1 feat slot = +2 to an ability score

A pity it's not in the core rules of Pathfinder.

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[Juton]

[Schwarzkopf]